Frank and his Daniel Roth Small Seconds with Salmon Dial
What's no to love about this combination of steel case, refined design and guilloché salmon dial?
As we explained to you a week ago, weird times call for agility and confinement has forced us to change a bit the way we work and the content we’ll be covering in the coming weeks. Does that mean you won’t see great content on MONOCHROME? Certainly not. In fact, we currently have more time to focus on certain things we tended to forget, and this goes for “The Collector’s Series“. The idea is to show you more of the human side of MONO’ and its team of editors, and of course, to share our passion for watches that drives us every day. So today, I’m interviewing the man I work with on a daily basis, the founder of this magazine, Frank Geelen. For this instalment of “The Collector’s Series”, he talks about his delicate, desirable Daniel Roth Small Seconds in Steel with Salmon Dial.
Daniel Roth is a legendary name in the industry, but the low-profile kind of name. His influence on contemporary watchmaking is huge; he’s one of the men behind the renewal of Breguet, a great influencer of the indie watchmaking scene, a genius designer and a watch entrepreneur under his own name – with a company that helped Bvlgari shape the superb watches we know today. Prior to that, he worked at Jaeger-LeCoultre and Audemars Piguet. And when you combine this impressive background it is easier to understand the watches that bear his name. Originally designed, yet refined and elegant, mechanically impressive for some models but often low-key. This is exactly the kind of watch we’ll talk about today… So it is time for my great friend and associate Frank to talk about his beloved salmon-dialed Daniel Roth watch.
Brice Goulard – Why a Daniel Roth?
Frank Geelen – When I was just getting into watches, a “watch buddy” of mine told me that he liked Daniel Roth’s watches. I had no idea who Daniel Roth was or what his watches looked like, so I searched online. In general, the internet was not as over-documented on obscure topics as it is today. So information about Daniel Roth was scarce at best. The only place to find some information on DR was Watchprosite and it was mainly press info on the latest DR watches and the odd review. Most info was on the latest pieces made under the reign of THG and the first under the helm of Bvlgari (I’ll explain this later) and they didn’t appeal to me… at all. However my interest was awakened and I continued searching, finding the occasional DR watch for sale on eBay or one of the sales forums of that time (Timezone, Watchprosite, TZ-UK and Watchuseek) and these looked different. And much better than what I had seen until then.
This is all around the year 2000 and the big-bigger-biggest hype in watchmaking was about to start. At that point, Panerai made BIG watches and there was the IWC Big Pilot, and these watches stood out with their enormous proportions. I kind of liked big watches and my budget was spent on an old Heuer Autavia (calibre 12 with a decompression bezel) from the 1970s and later a TAG Heuer Monaco that was considered big at the time (I still remember the numerous remarks from friends, family and colleagues about the Monaco!). The watches from Daniel Roth sort of faded into the background, partially because the ones that I thought were pretty, were too small for my taste… I thought. But every time I stumbled across a photo of one of the older watches I was intrigued. They were small but so incredibly elegant and well finished.
Over the next years, I kept looking for DR watches for sale and for more information about the man and his watches, but there never was much solid information to be found. In the online world, you could stumble upon the vast number of stories about George Daniels and Philippe Dufour and watch designer Gerald Genta. But there was simply not so much information about Daniel Roth – and that hasn’t changed much.
What intrigued me from the first moment when I saw the older watches from Daniel Roth, was the design, the odd case shape and the refined dials and the movement finishing. Since hearing the Daniel Roth name for the first time, my quest to buy this little gem lasted more than 15 years. And every time again, I’m blown away by how incredibly lovely it is, how well finished, and beautifully shaped. And that salmon-colour guilloché dial simply puts a smile on my face every time I see it.
Why this particular model?
It crossed my path… it’s as simple as that. During my 15-year search for a nice DR, I looked at the usual places from time to time. Of course, I was looking for one that I would like a lot, but it also had to match my budget. So I was not necessarily looking for exactly this piece. A few years before I bought it, a friend owned a Daniel Roth that I tried on my wrist and that made quite an impression. It was a white gold version, 35mm across, grey and steel dial, and it was just so incredibly beautiful. I knew that when I would come across a similar model, and the price was right, I would not hesitate and buy it immediately. A few years later I found this one on Chrono24 and it was offered for sale by an English gentleman with whom I’m still in contact. The price was right, the model was exactly the same as the one that I tried, so I liked it, and that dial… that dial… oh my, this was even better than a dream come true. I never dared to dream of that lovely Daniel Roth with a small seconds (that I once tried on my wrist) and salmon-colour guilloché dial.
But I must also add that Daniel Roth watches are still underappreciated, so for me, the hunt for another Daniel Roth isn’t over yet.
Oh, tell me more, what is on your wish list?
The first series Papillon – like the one we covered here – is very high on my list, but almost impossible to find. However, a Daniel Roth QP or a tourbillon are also on my wish list. Although Daniel Roth watches are rather underappreciated, tourbillons and perpetual calendars will still require a serious budget. I could also be interested in another salmon dial but with central seconds instead of the small seconds (like mine.) Or maybe even one that comes on that funky steel bracelet that I call the ‘Lego bracelet’.
The older Daniel Roth watches are so incredibly well finished. They are so refined and their design is always so perfectly balanced. To me, that’s something unique and something that I sometimes dearly miss when I see what many watch brands are introducing these days. I love some of the well-proportioned, superbly finished, and elegant timepieces… whether they come from Japan, from Germany or from a Swiss/French watchmaker who was born and raised at the French Côte d’Azur.
What is it in Daniel Roth as a watchmaker that you admire so much?
At first, I had no clue who the good man was but slowly I found out more. As I mentioned before, there simply was not much information on Daniel Roth. At a certain moment, a new brand named Maitres du Temps was launched. Under this moniker, some independent watchmakers got to join forces in order to create something spectacular and Daniel Roth (among others) was invited to be one of the first participating independent watchmakers. I met Daniel Roth (and Roger Dubuis and Peter Speake-Marin), but I don’t speak French and Daniel Roth doesn’t speak English. So that was that…
A few years down the line, and a good deal of research later, I got to know more about Daniel Roth. When you read about his life, it’s an impressive story. Daniel grew up in Nice, on the French Côte d’Azur. His father, originally Swiss, moved to Nice and started a watch repair shop. That’s where young Daniel did his first apprenticeship before he moved to Switzerland in 1967 and worked at Jaeger-LeCoultre and Audemars Piguet for a brief period.
Back then, Chaumet owned the name Breguet and the owners asked Francois Bodet to run the brand in Switzerland for them. He hired the young watchmaker Daniel Roth and together they defined what is now known as Breguet. Daniel Roth designed the Breguet ref. 3130 and he was instrumental in determining the design language for the brand, which they derived from the old pocket watches. Later he developed, among others, a very thin tourbillon. And all this amidst the quartz crisis!
For 15 years Daniel Roth and Francois Bodet sort of created the brand and its style/looks: flat, elegant, chic, refined, superb finish, guilloché, round cases with straight lugs and the recognizable caseband fluting. In 1987 Chaumet went bankrupt, Breguet was bought by an investment fund, and Daniel Roth decided to set up his own brand. In 1989 Daniel Roth SA was founded. I guess this makes his one of the first, if not the first, independent watchmaker as we know them today. He had good times, but also not so good years. In 1994 his investor pulled out and The Hour Glass (Singapore-based high-end retailer) took over and when the Asian financial crisis struck in 1997 THG sold Daniel Roth SA to Bulgari.
Now to answer your question, I admire how Daniel Roth shaped Breguet. And how he later set up his own brand, with its own distinctive case shapes, high-quality movements, superb finishing, and that in a period when high-end mechanical watches were not as popular as they are today. This coherent approach is remarkable for a brand, let alone for a young watchmaker who grew up in Nice, far away from the Swiss watch industry.
Nowadays he makes watches again, totally independent, however no longer with his own name on the dial. The new company was named after his only son, Jean-Daniel, and wife, Nicolas, so on the dial, it now reads Jean-Daniel Nicolas. The only watch he makes is the 2-minute tourbillon and if budget and availability permit, one of these watches by Daniel Roth is top on my wish list!
Any tips for people who like Daniel Roth’s watches and want to buy one?
There are three or four different phases in Daniel Roth watches, the first being the period when DR himself set up shop. Small, elegant and extremely well-finished watches. There are roughly two different sizes. The smaller one measures 32mm from left to right (excluding the crown) and some 35mm from top to bottom. The larger one measures 35mm by 38mm and that’s the size that I bought. It’s not too small, but I would not get a smaller size as that would not look good on my wrist. For smaller wrists, this might be an option, but first, try one on so you know how it looks and feels.
The next phase, when DR was under the reign of The Hour Glass, produced some larger watches and when Bulgari got involved (at a time when the big-bigger-biggest hype in watchmaking started) Daniel Roth watches also grew in size. The last phase was when the Daniel Roth name disappeared from the dial and was replaced by the Bvlgari name.
First and foremost, try and find one that you like, and secondly be aware of the different sizes!
Bravo Frank & Brice – I am still wearing my salmon dial DR with a GP movement with a big smile in my face. It´s great to see the bling in the eyes of aware collectors recognizing my watch on the wrist 🙂 You made my day with this article. Stay safe !
Thanks so much for your kind words, Georg! Stay safe!
I had the exact same watch in 1995 and had to sell it to help finance my marriage. Terribly accurate and a joy to own and wear. So glad to see it again 🙂
Thanks for the great article! Excuse my ignorance, how do you service the watch while the company no longer exists?
Lovely watches, I have come across a handful but not yet the right one for me (ah, the Ellipsocurvex Papillon Limited Edition!), definitely keeping an eye on them!
There are many Daniel Roth fans in Japan and had read some interesting articles in Japanese before.
About 15 years ago Mr. Dufour came to Japan and met his Japanese fans. One of them wore his Roth watch (chronograph or PQ. Sorry.) and showed it embarrassingly. Mr. Dufour, however, said to him, “ Mr. Roth is my friend and have made that mechanism for him. So, it is also my watch.”
By the way, his current watch name, Jean Daniel Nicola, comes from his son, himself, and his wife.
Thanks for this insight, Mr. Yanagawa, good to read there are many fans of Daniel Roth’s work in Japan!
Dear Ilya, first of all thanks for your kind words. As for servicing, I can take it to Bulgari who nowadays own the brand name and they are equipped to service these watches (GP movement in mine, so that could also be a place to get it serviced)
Any chance of bringing Sinclair back for another interview? I loves your interview about his 5960.
Many thanks! Never thought that Bulgari will stand behind the watches, produced before the acquisition- great!
God I love that watch – it’s the salmon dial that makes it perfect. This and Roger Dubuis’ Sympathie are top of my list for ’90s independent vintage. Good to read your story about it, and it looks great next to your other pieces.
As soon as my investments stop haemorrhaging because of coronavirus craziness, I’m going to try to hunt this exact version down.
Why not… will check if he’s up for another round of The Collector’s Series
Hi Gavin, good luck with the hunt! It took me more than a decade to find this one… By the way, a Roger Dubuis is also on my list, and for me it would be the Golden Square (40mm size) and preferably with tourbillon. I like the tourbillon cage of Roger Dubuis with its black-polished surfaces so much!
Aye, that’s a nice one. Actually, there’s one I forgot about from the late ’90s that I’d take over the Dubuis (but not over the Roth) – it’s the Cartier CPCP Tortue Monopoussior with movement by Journe, Halter, and Flageollet. I reckon that would suit your collection, too.
It’s not round-shaped or rectangular-shaped. Definitely not tonneau-shaped. What do you call the shape of this watch? Please enlighten me.
It’s not round-shaped or rectangular-shaped. Definitely not tonneau-shaped. What do you call the shape of this watch? Please enlighten me.
@Albert Lam – good question… let’s call is the Roth-shape 🙂
There’s no official name in geometry for this shape, maybe a flattened oval…
Thank you for amazing interview – and many facts about DR career.
I think the official name of the shape of his watches is ‘octagonal’.
I have bought among my very first watches the Daniel Roth Datomax in rosegold more than 10 years ago: terrific dial, wonderful finishing of the guilloche, GP-movement. It was the ‘X’-size, so a bit bigger than Frank’s watch with 38 mm of diameter.
Later I got 3 other DR watches for my collection, now I have ony one left: the legendary Athys II in whitegold with real enamel dial and an extraordinary pocket watch movement from Frederique Piquet, finished by Roth. The same movement used by Breguet and AP in some of their watches..
Daniel Roth is a genius, the first series Papillon and his Tourbillons are legendary!
@Adam… Good to read this comment from a fellow DR-owner!
Thanks Serge, more to come next week with a new Collector’s Series instalment!
I’ve found it! The shape is known as a ‘Stadium’.
I think I might prefer the alternative ‘Discorectangle’, though.
YES! Thanks, Gavin! … and I agree that discorectangle sounds much sexier 🙂
nice nice Frank! Thanks for the whole write up. excellent info. On par with early Rober Dubuis sympathy models as said before in the comments. Best wouter from http://www.wristicons.com
Frank, would you sell?
What an excellent conversation.
Returning to it nearly one year later, it occurs to me that this was one of the first pieces that got me interested in Daniel Roth’s work. There’s still a dearth of content today, which is simply stunning given the size of the man’s influence.
My own search began then. While it lasted for slightly less than 15 years, it ended (or began?) last week when I purchased a Ellipsocurvex Moonphases in 18K yellow gold from the early 2000s. It’s 38mm x 41mm in size, and that would put it in around Phase 3 as described by Frank. I’m very happy with it indeed, and expect to delve again in search for an earlier version. A small seconds perhaps? A two register chronograph? They are simply exquisite.
Thank you again for this piece. It was thoroughly informative.
Daniel Ross is a very nice watch.
The available supplies are very limited.
I recently got one.
It’s a millennial moonphase model celebrating 2000.
It is a size that can be used unisexly.
I’m glad my wrist is thin.